I'm David Farrier in New Zealand

accidentally marooned in America and I want to figure out what makes this country tick.

Now a few weeks ago I was watching some stand-up comedy and somehow the comedian got to talking

about board games and then they mentioned a game called

shoots and ladders. If you're an American listening you're going, yeah shoots and ladders that game we played as

kids. But if you're from New Zealand or a bunch of other countries,

you're going what the heck is shoots and ladders. Because in New Zealand, we call it snakes and ladders.

I couldn't concentrate on the comedy routine anymore because all I could think

about was Americans insisting on calling snakes and ladders by the totally bonkers name

shoots and ladders. And so in today's flight this bird I attempt to find out more about the name of this American board game which takes me down a rabbit hole of board game craziness I never knew existed. So get ready to roll that dye and vanquish your opponents,

because this is the Shoots and Ladders episode. Flightless bird, flyless bird touch down in America.

I'm a flyless bird touch down in America.

Doesn't get more exciting than this.

I love board games.

You're a board game gal.

I am. You have a stack over here yes as I made this episode different companies they saw their payday

They're like finally we're gonna get famous. We're gonna be on flightless bird and they started sending board games.

You've got monopoly here. No monopoly knock out that's that's different.

And there's all sorts. These are all free. Wait how did they know that you were doing this?

I reached out.

I was trying to get to the bottom of this mystery.

The shoots and ladders thing threw me.

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