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Churchill was more a liability than an asset to the free world

Intelligence Squared

Intelligence Squared

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🗓️ 10 July 2015

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Does the fact that Winston Churchill is routinely cited as Britain’s greatest hero say more about us than it does about him? Yes, he warned us of the need to face down Hitler when others were urging appeasement and yes, he gave a good speech. But what of his tendency to initiate disastrous military campaigns – think of Gallipoli in World War I or Norway in World War II. What of the fact that his generals constantly had to restrain him from embarking on even more madcap ventures? Could it be that the British had - and still have – a deep need to lionise their war leader in order to disguise from themselves the relative insignificance of Britain’s contribution to defeating the Nazis in comparison with that of the Soviet Union or America? Is our refusal to diminish Churchill’s stature born of the fear that we may have to diminish our own? We were joined by a panel of experts at Methodist Central Hall Westminster in September 2009 to debate the motion "Churchill was more a liability than an asset to the free... Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/intelligencesquared. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:57.8

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player, a pivotal actor in the energy transition and looks set to host high-end cultural events

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like the FIFA World Cup.

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billboard into a global game that allows you to completely reposition yourself

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or rebrand yourself.

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But what exactly is the kingdom trying to achieve and will it succeed?

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Available now from Intelligence Squared, The Saudi project is a new podcast series seeking to answer some of these questions and more.

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