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The Political Orphanage

Churchill, Non-Proliferation, and Iranian Nuclear Ambitions

The Political Orphanage

Andrew Heaton

Comedy, Moderate, Politics, Independent, News, Nonpartisan, Libertarian

5951 Ratings

🗓️ 19 June 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Iran is accused by Israel of pursuing a nuclear weapons program, and President Trump is weighing US military intervention.

In this episode we chart the history of nuclear non-proliferation, and assess Iran in light of it.

Transcript

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0:00.0

The decision which Winston Churchill most agonized over, in retrospect, was his decision to drop a nuclear bomb.

0:08.4

In a conversation with Lord Mountbatten, he said,

0:11.0

The decision to release the atom bomb was perhaps the only thing that history will have a serious question to ask about.

0:18.8

I may even be asked by my maker why I used it, but I shall defend

0:22.9

myself vigorously, I shall say, why release this knowledge to us when mankind was raging in

0:28.6

furious battle? Now, you might point out, Winston Churchill did not authorize the bombing of

0:36.4

Hiroshima. Let me just check my notes here.

0:39.1

Or Nagasaki.

0:40.9

That was Canada.

0:42.9

Wait, I read that wrong.

0:43.8

Nope, that was America.

0:44.8

They were both America.

0:46.0

The United States had ushered in nuclear war.

0:49.2

Harry Truman did that.

0:50.7

Now, part of it is, of course, that Winston Churchill had an ego large enough that

0:55.4

it affected tides and the flight path of migratory birds. But also, Churchill had played a role

1:01.4

in the advent of nuclear war. He was a close friend and advisor to Roosevelt during the Manhattan

1:06.7

project. He had long discussions with the president about the ramifications and morality of developing

1:12.5

and deploying an atom bomb. And he had signed off on it, not just ethically but legally, in the

1:18.7

Quebec Agreement, in which the United States and the United Kingdom merged their nuclear

1:22.8

programs and legally agreed to only deploy them with the express permission of the other state.

1:28.4

So Winston Churchill had indeed authorized dropping atom bombs on Japan.

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