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Making the Argument with Nick Freitas

Churchill, Franco, and Rhodesia: Rethinking the Villains and Heroes of History

Making the Argument with Nick Freitas

Nick Freitas

News, Society & Culture, News Commentary, Politics

4.4743 Ratings

🗓️ 22 July 2025

⏱️ 142 minutes

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Summary

The last few years have awakened many people to just how much we have been lied to. And this realization is causing many on the Right to reevaluate our understanding of history to see what went wrong. This is leading to some productive discussions…and some other discussions that are becoming quite dark. Today we address three points in history to ask the question “Does the revisionist narrative have a point?” Get ready as we question Winston Churchill’s legacy, Franco and the Spanish Civil War and Decolonization and Rhodesia.

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00:00:00 - Intro

00:05:15 - Why The Right is Revisiting History

00:11:05 - The Postwar Consensus on World War II

00:28:50 - Was Churchill the Villain of World War II?

00:50:46 - Francisco Franco and the Spanish Civil War

01:12:40 - Was Franco a Hero or a Villain?

01:27:42 - Rhodesia, Ian Smith, and the Great Betrayal

01:45:34 - Was Ian Smith Right About Rhodesia?

01:48:35 - Why Does All of This Matter Now?

01:51:50 - History Grants Moral Legitimacy

02:02:33 - The Messy Questions the Right Must Now Ask

02:14:20 - What Comes Next

Transcript

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0:00.0

It seems like just yesterday when you heard something from, let's say, a medical professional,

0:06.1

you thought, ah, well, it's probably reasonable to assume that whatever they're telling me is

0:11.4

accurate and good for me and something that I should do.

0:14.7

If you would have asked me, I don't know, 20 years ago, 15 years ago, 10 years ago about vaccines, I would be like, well,

0:21.4

yes, of course, they're wonderful and get as, get as many as you can as early as possible.

0:26.5

If you would have talked about the food supply, I would have been like, oh, what's all

0:30.2

the, what's all this crap about all this organic stuff and everything?

0:32.4

The bottom line is, is that 10 years ago, I would have thought, well, yeah, these people

0:38.0

can generally be trusted in the things that they tell me.

0:41.6

And then COVID hit.

0:43.1

And all of a sudden, we got a window into institutions which most of us thought we could

0:48.4

trust and now just don't trust anymore, at least not to the extent that we used to,

0:53.7

if at all for some people.

0:55.8

And what this means is we're no longer just questioning the stuff that we see put out by

1:02.7

pharmaceutical companies or by government officials or experts within the university system.

1:08.3

We're starting to question huge swaths of our own history

1:12.6

on whether or not we've been lied to about the things that really matter.

1:16.6

When it comes to our actual historical narrative for who we are as a people, we're starting

1:21.6

to see a lot of people on the right question things that, again, 10 years ago just were beyond the realm of questioning.

1:31.2

It just was what it was.

1:32.4

This was part of our overall historical narrative.

1:34.5

It helped define who we were and what we thought about ourselves and where we were going as a country.

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