Chuck Rosenberg on Value-Based Leadership
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 13 February 2018
⏱️ 21 minutes
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Summary
Chuck Rosenberg spent most of his career leading or helping lead federal law enforcement agencies. Before serving as head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Rosenberg served as Jim Comey’s chief of staff at the FBI and the Justice Department, as counselor to FBI director Robert Mueller, and as U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. Now outside government, Rosenberg shared his thoughts on leadership with a group of University of Virginia law students two weeks ago, and now, we’re sharing his thoughts with you. He says of this speech, “I was privileged to work with great leaders, mentors, and friends at the Department of Justice. I learned so much from them: Bob Mueller, Jim Comey, Sally Yates, John Ashcroft, and David Margolis, among others. I hope my words reflect the values these good people—and so many others at DOJ—consistently demonstrated. Kindness, civility, humility, fairness, and character remain in fashion.”
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.0 | When was the last time you changed your mind? |
| 0:37.0 | That's a really hard thing to do. |
| 0:40.0 | Because it sort of ties into all those other things, |
| 0:43.0 | how we think about ourselves, whether we really are humble, |
| 0:47.0 | which is a prerequisite to changing your mind, |
| 0:49.0 | whether you really are confident, which is also a prerequisite to changing your mind. |
| 0:53.0 | When was the last time you changed your mind? |
| 0:56.0 | Well, changing your mind requires certain things that none of us as human beings are good at. |
| 1:01.0 | First, it requires listening. |
| 1:04.0 | It's really hard to be a good listener. |
| 1:07.0 | In some conversations, what passes for listening is actually just a pause, |
| 1:13.0 | because all you're doing is waiting for the other person to shut up, |
| 1:16.0 | so you can continue talking. |
| 1:18.0 | That's not really listening. |
| 1:21.0 | Real listening isn't a pause. |
| 1:23.0 | Real listening is something much more profound and much deeper than that. |
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