Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show where today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop, I'm your host,

Joe Pug. Each episode here, we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their

inspiration, on their process, on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So,

whether you're a grizzled veteran selling Korean-made Parker Flies at the local

guitar center or else a scrappy upstart, purchasing your first rat distortion pedal off

of Craigslist, this is your show.

Because ultimately, it is what every writer seeks most,

an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

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