There's a better way to this, let me show you a better way, you don't have to be another face in the crowd.

Well, hi folks, this is Jack Spirko with another edition of the Cert-Fobble podcast.

There's always one man's view of the changing world, the changing times,

and the things we can all do to live a better life.

If times get tough, or even if they don't, today is Wednesday, August the 24th, 2022.

This episode is 3,152.

This is going to be an interesting discussion today with Chuck Morone of smallstrongtowns.org

about building resilient communities.

Probably the first half of this discussion we talk about how we got into Messer Inn,

and then the second half is more about what you do about it.

And I love the work Chuck is doing.

You'll hear me challenge him a couple of times during this discussion.

Most of the challenge is more of a devil's advocate thing.

I think it makes a more interesting interview at times to challenge your guests

and let them defend their position.

There's a couple of things that maybe don't completely ensnake,

but in the end, I think we agree like 98% here on what's going on

and what we can expect to continue to happen in this country

because of the giant mess that we're in.

And I think we agree a lot on various forms of solutions to it.

And so we'll drop into that as a live feed that we did in just a minute before we do.

Let's go ahead and hear from our two sponsors of the day.

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