We reached out to the governor's office and said, hey, this is what's happening.

And instead of trying to back away from it, they said, absolutely.

We provide gender affirming care to illegals.

If you look at DEI and universities, it's alive and well everywhere.

The dirty secret that Republicans would not like you to know is that most of that money originated from the federal government

and was rubber-stamped by congressional Republicans.

Joining me today is Chris Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, and one of the

most influential investigative journalists on the right, best known for exposing critical

race theory and DEI at universities and corporations.

More recently, he's been breaking stories about welfare fraud starting off in Minnesota.

Thank you, Chris Rufo, for joining Podforce One.

It's good to be with you.

So let's start with fraud.

That seems to have consumed your work lately, and you've made a huge splash, and I think

changed the course of politics, at least on the left, because so much of this fraud,

as I'm sure you'll explain, feeds into Democrats

making money out of it. So tell us how you started, how you got involved in the Minnesota problems.

Yeah, I mean, we initially got into it with a tip, a hunch, an instinct.

And I know in your own work as an investigative reporter, you've cultivated that same sense

where you just get this feeling that something is going on.

There's some hidden story.

And so we assigned a team to go out to Minnesota.

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