So you travel more than anybody. I know you spend more days out of the country and have for more years than literally anyone I know. So answer this question. The countries that seem to be moving backward the most quickly, this is my perception, are the white Christian English speaking countries, New Zealand, Australia, Canada, UK, United States. Am I imagining that?

What is that?

Well, I know.

I can't really speak about the countries of what they used to call the old Commonwealth, the, you know, Australia, New Zealand.

I've never been to those places.

But I certainly think that England, the UK more generally, but England in particular,

is really in a difficult position now.

And I think that the diagnosis that English people generally are coming to is that they've been overwhelmed by immigration, but you may have a better handle

than numbers.

How much immigration has the UK had, is?

Well, I think that they're up around, you know, the country is, the country, well, most recent, the countries had a lot of

immigration since, you know, since the second world war. It had some moments of acceleration.

It, um, they had a huge wave of migrants from both the, um, the Caribbean and the Indian

subcontinent, um, in the years right after the war.

And by a huge wave, you know, one, you know, it's a couple hundred thousand, but more recently we've

had even larger numbers. And in fact, one of the, one of the things that made, has made

Brexit so contentious in England is that the big promise of Brexit, the primary promise of Brexit,

was to limit immigration. That's what most English people thought it was for. Now, Brexit was

delayed between the referendum and 2020, and when Britain finally got got brexit it had COVID and so it had a

period of zero immigration for a while but then something really interesting happened which is the

the people who had managed to get Brexit that is the um the government of of of boris johnson

sort of looked at the numbers and they were very frightened

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