They refuse to protect our humanity.

And so we continue to strategize, even today, we strategize anew as to how we can protect our humanity

and how we can protect the humanity of all persons that the power structure wants to demean in order to hold on to its power.

We want those persons to be protected.

That's what Christmas can be.

Our double you be, we came to make a change.

Hey, everyone, and welcome to how to not lose your shit.

I'm Katie Paris, and I'm the founder of Red Wine and Blue.

And I'm LaFonda Cousin, a part-time yoga instructor, self-care advocate, and the chief people officer here at Red Line and Blue.

All right.

Today, LaFonda and I are super psyched to be joined by Reverend William H. Lamar IV, the pastor at a church in Washington, D.C., who recently won the trademark to the proud boys logo.

He's the author of an upcoming book called Ancestors, Those Who Bless Us, Curse Us and Hold Us.

It was a really incredible conversation.

I am thrilled that we get to share.

I don't think that people usually expect LaFonda to hear about a pastor like pulling one over

on the proud boys. His story is so incredible to hear. What did you think of our conversation?

What was your big takeaway? I thought our conversation, one, was great. It is always a little bit

fun to hear a pastor say that he is not offended by us using word shit in the title of our podcast.

So I was a little bit worried about that this weekend.

I thought the conversation was amazing.

There's just a lot of great information there.

There's a lot of great inspiration. I'm excited for people to listen to it.

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