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Woman's Hour

Christine Flack, New Ofsted school grading, Emma Barnett

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 November 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Caroline Flack was a Bafta-winning TV presenter, host of shows including Love Island and The X Factor. In February of 2020, she took her own life ahead of a court case in which she was charged with the assault of her then boyfriend, after weeks of press scrutiny. Her mother Christine Flack tells Clare McDonnell about spending the past five years uncovering documents from the Metropolitan Police and the Crown Prosecution Service to try to find out more about the events around Caroline’s death and she also questions the role of the press. That journey is documented in a two-part documentary out on Disney+ called Caroline Flack: Search for the Truth.

A new schools inspection system begins in England today. Overall judgements, such as 'good' or 'requires improvement,' have been scrapped and schools will now be given one of five grades in several different categories. The changes were prompted by the death of the head teacher Ruth Perry, who took her own life in January 2023 whilst waiting for the publication of an Ofsted report she knew would grade her school as "inadequate." Clare speaks to the BBC Education Reporter Vanessa Clarke and Tom Middlehurst, Deputy Director of Policy at the Association of School and College Leaders.

Louise Penny is the multi award-winning Canadian crime novelist. Her books have sold over 18 million copies worldwide and this year marks the 20th anniversary of her hugely popular Inspector Gamache series. Her latest novel is called The Black Wolf and follows on from her previous one The Grey Wolf. Gamache has foiled a plot to poison Montreal’s drinking water, but has discovered that this is simply phase one of a dark master plan and he needs to take on not only an organised crime syndicate, but also delve into the murky depths of government and power to discover who the black wolf is.

There is a brand new podcast out from a familiar voice - Emma Barnett: Ready to Talk, in which Emma invites listeners into her world for bold, honest, and deeply human conversations about the experiences in life that shape and connect us. In the first episode Emma talks to her friend, the journalist and presenter Kate Thornton, about something she’s never spoken about publicly before: perimenopause. In the UK, 13 million women are currently experiencing the perimenopause, or menopause, but information about what it is and what can help can be hard to find. Emma tells Clare about her own experience.

Presenter: Clare McDonnell Producer: Andrea Kidd

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, radio, podcasts.

0:07.3

Hello, I'm Kimberly Wilson. I'm a psychologist, and in my new podcast, Complex, I'll be your guide

0:14.4

through all the information and misinformation that's out there about mental health.

0:19.0

I'm joined by expert guests covering topics from people

0:22.5

pleasing to perfectionism, burnout to empathy, to find tangible advice so we can understand

0:28.5

ourselves a little better. Complex with me, Kimberly Wilson. Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:36.0

Hello, this is Claire MacDonald and you're listening to the Woman's Hour podcast.

0:40.4

Hello and welcome to Woman's Hour.

0:43.3

This morning, we hear from the mother of TV presenter Caroline Flack, Christine,

0:48.1

who has spent the last five years since her daughter took her own life

0:52.3

trying to get clarity on the events around her death.

0:55.9

Uncovering documents from the Met Police and the Crown Prosecution Service

0:59.7

and also raising questions about the role of the press.

1:03.4

Caroline Flack, Search for the Truth, is a two-part documentary out today on Disney Plus.

1:10.0

Now, here's a question, how do you create a character that you can write

1:13.1

about for 20 years and not get sick of? Answer, base it on your husband. That is precisely what

1:19.5

the author Louise Penny did in her Inspector Gamash series. The latest in that series,

1:25.0

The Black Wolf, is out now and delighted to say, Louise will join me in the Woman's Hour studio.

1:30.6

If you are perimenopausal, do you feel your doctor is listening to you?

1:35.5

Are you getting the support that you need?

1:37.7

And if you are at the younger end of when it's thought perimenopause begins,

1:41.8

were your symptoms attributed to something else? Well, a familiar voice

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