Part of the rhetoric of conservative white evangelicals is that they are the oppressed minority in the United States.

That they say we live in this, you know, this godless secular society, and we are this small group of people, you know, fighting for God and country.

What I find interesting about that is that they are a minority,

but they don't seem to be oppressed. This week, we're talking about two very different,

but related things, DHS and GOD. Since last year, the country has had its eyes on the immigration enforcement operations all across the United States.

Department of Homeland Security agents have descended on American cities, pulling children out of school,

raiding local businesses, patrolling our airports, and in some cases, even killing protesters.

All in the name of public safety.

In recent months, the Trump administration has seemed to pull back from its initial, highly visible approach to ICE presence and communities.

But in a statement to NPR, a DHS spokesperson said, quote,

ICE has supercharged efforts with state and local law enforcement to assist federal immigration

officers in our efforts to make America safe again.

End quote.

The reality is that ICE is still around and communities are still dealing with it.

Reactions to DHS operations have divided voters, school districts, and local governments

across the U.S.

But I'm curious how another major institution is responding to immigration enforcement in America,

the church.

Across the country, worship leaders and their congregations are weighing in.

Some are putting their values and even their bodies on the line, while others are turning the other cheek, or even focusing on scriptures about obedience to the government.

But as families continue to be separated, what do faith communities have to say about it?

To find out, I'm here with Jason DeRose, NPR Religion Correspondent and Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salgero, president and founder of the National

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