Welcome back to the podcast, Think Bivocally, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host, Sean McDowell, an author, speaker, and apologics professor here at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University.

And I'm your co-host, Scott Ray, professor of Christian ethics, also at Talbot School of Theology.

We're here for a second show with friend, pastor, author, Caleb Coultenbach.

You've really become an important voice on issues of marriage and sexuality

and the intersection between kind of the church and culture today.

So thanks for speaking up on those issues and joining us again on the podcast.

Let me ask, since you've been a pastor for a number of years, just start with something

really practical.

What do you say, say a 15 or 16 year old kid comes into you?

Probably very sheepishly maybe a little embarrassed maybe feeling a sense of shame and just says

I have same sex attraction. I've wrestled with this where do you go because I have a lot of

conversation with young people that way and I just fear as a church that we don't initially

respond well to that kind of question.

I agree.

I think that we, and we might have difference depending on this,

but I think what we do poorly is we immediately want to offer solutions, we immediately want to fix.

And I think the first thing that we need to do is acknowledge how they're feeling and

not acknowledge as in we agree with it but say oh well this must be a very

interesting time for you you know to

Be feeling this way and be having these thoughts and so on and how is that impacting you and I think

we need to do more listening and asking questions. I found that people respond really

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