Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast I'm your host Tim Miller.

I wanted to say thanks for the kind words to everybody who saw me out of

Jazz Fest this weekend a lot of Bull Work folks out there we were blessed with

great weather wonderful music I loved Grace Potter with Galactic, Anderson Pack,

Glen David Andrews, they were the highlights for me,

so you'll probably be hearing those guys

on the outtrows this week.

But if you were in a Jazzfest and you want to hear some Bullwork Talk live,

we are in Philly on Wednesday.

And I'll be there with Bill Crystal,

so you might notice that Bill Crystal's not here today

because that show will air on this feed later in the week.

But if you're in Philly, New Jersey, Delaware,

anywhere on Amtrak, be impulsive, come grab tickets,

the Bork.com slash events. We'd love to see you on Wednesday night in Philly.

Okay, today's guest. Somebody that I've been wanting to have for a while. One of my favorites when Charlie was in the chair. Peter Wainer, contributing writer at The Atlantic in the New York Times. His books include The Death of Politics How to Heal Our Frayed Republic republic after Trump he's a senior fellow at the Trinity forum and served in the Reagan and both Bush administrations so he's got some bonafides

Mr Wainer thanks for doing this brother.

Great to be with you, too.

Thanks, showing me on.

I'm excited.

Okay.

Well, I guess we have to talk about one of your colleagues first, from those administrations.

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