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I want to temper expectations that even if we do have a quiet revival, it probably is going to be a modest one compared to the first, second, and third fourth grade awakening.

This is your host, Scott Bertram.

Welcome to the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour,

part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network.

That was Daniel Galada,

assistant professor at the Ohio State University,

also author of the recent essay,

Faith makes a quiet comeback. We'll go in depth with

Daniel about that later on in today's program. First, we're joined by Dr. Charles Steele. He is

Director of the Center for Commerce and Freedom, Associate Professor of Economics and Herman A. and

Suzanne S. Detweiler chair in Economics at Hillsdale College. Dr. Steele, thanks for joining us.

Happy to be here, Scott. Talking today about the idea, the concept of universal basic income, UBI,

and there's a recent study on UBI, which will reference a little bit later on in our discussion,

but to set the table,

explain for us, what is universal basic income? Universal basic income is the idea that the

government would provide each person a certain amount of payment. Typically, you'd think, a monthly

payment, say $1,000 a month,

but some sort of threshold that each person would receive, not means tested, that's UBI.

You've looked at it. You don't like us. Not very much.

Understating a little bit. So let's walk through this a little bit. Does UBI, Universal Basic Income, does it create a

disincentive for work? Yes. Stop and think for a minute. Why do we work? I really enjoy giving

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