Greetings and salutations. Welcome to Life and Books and Everything. This is Kevin DeYoung.

And need to give it just a little bit of intro to our special episode today.

Hopefully, by the end of this season, so in the next few weeks I will have a wrap-up discussion with Colin and Justin.

I'm looking forward to that.

We were originally planning and had it on the calendar

and then we had to get bumped, but we were hoping to do it again. And in God's Providence,

we won't be having that podcast where we talk to Tim Keller about Collins' biography. And we've

all been grieving that and also enjoying the celebrations, many that have been made in commemorations of Tim's life.

So I'm sure Justin and Colin and I will share a little bit more about all the things that have happened since last we met.

So we won't be having that podcast, but we have a special one here to fill in the gaps,

and I think you're really going to enjoy this conversation.

It's a conversation that I had with Paul McNulty.

Paul McNulty is the president at Grove City College, Grove City, Pennsylvania,

a small liberal arts, excellent Christian

college.

And Paul, as you'll hear in this conversation, has had a fascinating life, has done a lot of

things in Washington, D.C. for 30 years, and now in its 10th year as president at Grove City. He's also had personal loss

and suffering in his life, losing his son a number of years ago to cancer. And so you're going

to hear all about that. We had Paul in to do the commencement address for our high school,

Covenant Day school. He did a fine job,

excellent job, giving a commencement address on Christian identity on a Saturday morning. And

then he stuck around for Sunday, and we had a combined Adult Sunday School class, which was

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