I'm Alan Olga and this is Clear In Vivit, conversations about connecting and communicating.

I can sit across the table from, you know, Neo Nazi weather is wearing khakis in a polo

or has swastik tattoos on his face and I can let all the ideological talk just kind of fly

by me. It doesn't bother me and maybe that's because I used to say it. Sometimes I mean

sitting with my fists in a ball, you know, under the table and being really angry internally.

But what I do is I introduce them to the people that they think that they hate. I can tell

you that every single time I've done that, I've never had a bad experience and everybody's

always walked away different.

Christian Petrolini has a remarkable story. It's a story that helps the rest of us understand

what leads an ordinary person to take on a life of hate and violence. He knows because

he was once a leading organizer for the Neo Nazi movement. But more than that, he knows

what it takes to help people in that movement to leave their hate behind and take on new

lives. As in the title of a recent film about him, he knows how to break hate. Christian,

I'm so glad you can be on with me. When I saw your show on MSNBC breaking hate, I

was so moved by it that I thought I got to have him on if he's at all free.

Alan, I have to tell you, I am so grateful and honored to be here. You know, you've been

somebody who's been an inspiration my whole life from afar. Thank you. Well, now you're

my inspiration. Well, thank you. We can be each other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really

amazing. You know, just so we know where it started. Anybody who doesn't know your story,

but by now I'm off a lot of people know your story, but you got involved in one moment

in an alley, right? With the Neo Nazi movement. I did. What happened that night? Well, I

was 14 years old. It was 1987. Nobody in America really knew what a skinhead was. I didn't

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