You have at this point, de-radicalized,

how many people would you say?

Anywhere over 600 people, I think, now.

If I am someone who's struggling

with trying to disengage from one of these

movements or organizations,

like what is your approach to that person?

It's typically never the ideology that they're after, right?

The ideology is not attractive.

It's illogical, it's irrational

to hate somebody based on the color of their skin.

I mean, it's based on conspiracy theories and garbage.

So it's not the ideology.

So we have to understand, as people are on this search

for identity, community, and purpose,

which we all are at some point in our lives,

sometimes multiple times in our lives,

we hit what I call potholes in our life's journey.

And potholes are things like physical trauma

and abuse could be mental illness, it could be job loss,

it could be grief, it could be poverty,

it can also be privilege, if privilege keeps us

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