Welcome to Mortification of Spin, a casual conversation about things that count with Carl Truman, Todd

Pruitt, and Amy Bird. Mortification of Spin is a weekly podcast from the Alliance of Confessing

Evangelicals. And this week, the gang is joined by Professor and author David Van Drunen to talk about

natural law and Two Kingdoms Theology.

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Well, it's great to be gathering for another edition of the show today.

We're actually outside one of my favorite shops in the entire universe, Georgetown Tobacco.

I was there last night, just as the Gay Pride rally was gearing up outside.

And I have to say that Georgetown Tob is an island of absolute political incorrectness

in amongst this ocean of politically correct Georgetown twaddle.

I spent a happy 15 minutes just sniffing the different blends they had there,

looking at all of the people

standing around in the store, smoking cigarettes, which you probably can't legally do anywhere

in Georgetown in any other shop.

I'm feeling very politically incorrect as the West Virginia here.

I'm going to have to trade in my corn pipe, I guess, or something else.

You look very fetching when you smoke a pipe.

But anyway, the reason we're standing outside Georgetown Tobacco is a guest today, I'm glad to say, is a fellow OPC office bearer.

Listeners to the podcast will know that I have suffered the brick bats and insults from my two PCA colleagues

now for many, many months. It is finally good to have a true Presbyterian joining me on the podcast.

So I'd like to introduce our guest today is Professor David Van Drunen, who is the Robert B.

Strimple Professor of Systematic Theology and Christian Ethics at Westminster Seminary in California.

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