So, Burdo, a colleague of mine once called me, and I, this was a while ago, so I might

misremember some of the details, but this is my memory. She called me and she said that she was

working with a client who you know family client it was a

parents and a daughter daughter was defying the rules and maybe using pot and the

the pot grades were going down and and the father was really worried and

trying to get his daughter to follow the rules, don't run away from home, stop

talking back, cleaner room.

Mother was also involved.

And they had a middle class life, a girl went to a good school, a pretty

typical family therapy client, very, very common presenting problems.

Well, my colleague calls me and says that had I read the news and I was like,

well, what do you mean?

She's like, well, my client, the father and the client killed the daughter and maybe the wife too and himself.

I can't remember the full...

This isn't the whole fire thing?

No, no, this is not the fire thing.

We'll get into that too, but this was a very small story in the news.

It wasn't national, it was just local to Seattle and the thing that was so horrible about it I mean obviously

the tragedy and people dying and murder is awful and why you know what I mean but But my but my colleague was the family therapist that day.

They had a meeting that day. I think so. I think it was like you know she had he she had a meeting with again this could

all be mixed up in my head but in my head I have this vision of my

colleague having a family session alone with the father and then right after he dedicates himself

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