So, Burdo, a colleague of mine once called me and it was a while ago, so I might misremember

some of the details, but this is my memory. She called me and she said that she was working

with a client who, you know, family client. It was a parent's and a daughter was defying

the rules and maybe using pot and the pot graves were going down and the father was

really worried and trying to get his daughter to follow the rules, don't run away from home,

stop talking back, cleaner room, mother was also involved. And they had a middle-class life,

girl went to a good school. Pretty typical family therapy client, very, very common presenting

problems. Well, my colleague calls me and says that had I read the news and I was like, well, what do

you mean? She's like, well, my client, the father and the client killed the daughter and maybe

the wife to and himself. I can't remember the whole fire thing. No, no, this isn't the fire thing.

No, this is not the fire thing. We'll get into that too, but this was a very small story in the

news. It wasn't national, it was just local to Seattle. And the thing that was so horrible about it,

I mean, obviously, it's a tragedy and people dying in murder is awful and why, you know what I mean?

But my colleague was the family therapist that day. I think I had a meeting then. I think so.

I think it was like, you know, she had a meeting with, again, this could all be mixed up in my head,

but in my head, I have this vision of my colleague having a family session alone with the father.

And then right after, he dedicates himself to, you know, killing his daughter,

waits for her to come home, kills her and I think kill himself, not quite sure.

It was, it was a total shock. And you hear about these stories and then it's, it's another thing

for me to hear about it so close to me and then for me to worry, like, do I have any clients that

might do that? Yeah. You know, it's a thing, right? So have you heard of these stories?

And what do you think of them, Burdo? Every time I have, every time I'm skimming the news and I see

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