Chris Kavanagh & Matthew Browne - Decoding the Gurus

Trust Me: Cults, Extreme Belief, and Manipulation

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🗓️ 25 January 2023

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Cognitive anthropologist Chris Kavanagh and psychologist Matthew Browne, hosts of the podcast Decoding the Gurus, share some of their criteria for what makes a guru, discussing a few of the many personalities they've covered on their podcast: Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan, oh my. They discuss the horrors of social media, the importance of trusting experts (but how academic credentialism can lead people astray too), how the biggest internet gurus tend to skew male, and why basically we need more scientists with mass appeal. Trust me is brought to you by Progressive Insurance! Quote today at Progressive.com to try the Name Your Price® tool for yourself, and join the over 29 million drivers who trust Progressive! Got your own story about cults, extreme belief, or abuse of power? Leave a voicemail or text us at 347-86-TRUST (347-868-7878) OR shoot us an email at [email protected] CHECK OUT OUR MERCH!!! bit.ly/trustmemerch INSTAGRAM: @TrustMePodcast @oohlalola @meaganelizabeth11 TWITTER: @TrustMeCultPod @ohlalola @baberahamhicks TIKTOK: @TrustMeCultPodcast

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0:00.0	If you have your own story of being in a cult or a high control group or if you've had
0:04.1	experience with manipulation or abuse the power that you'd like to share, leave us a message
0:08.4	on our hotline number at 347-86 trust. That's 347-868-7878 or shoot us an e-mail at TrustMePod
0:18.2	at gmail.com. Trust me, do you trust me? Trust me, I'm like a smart person. Yeah, I've never
0:25.6	lied to you. I never have lied. If you think that one person has all the answers, don't!
0:32.7	Welcome to TrustMe, the podcast about cults, extreme belief, and manipulation from two
0:37.4	non-guru's who've actually experienced it. I am Lola Blong and I'm Megan Elizabeth.
0:42.2	Today, our guests are hosts of the podcast decoding the gurus, cognitive anthropologist Christopher
0:47.2	Kavanaugh and psychologist Matthew Brown. They have come to talk to us about all things guru.
0:52.0	There's my voice being sick. Excuse me. They'll share how they define a guru, some of the classic
0:56.9	guru tricks on their guruometer, including when someone markets themselves as possessing some kind
1:01.3	of hidden knowledge, and why it can be hard to navigate trusting experts without lending gurus
1:06.3	with academic credentials in one area, too much credence. We'll talk about why the biggest
1:11.6	internet gurus tend to skew more mail. Some of the gurus, the guys have covered including Elon
1:16.8	Musk, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and many more, and why we need more scientists with mass appeal.
1:22.4	That's right, baby! Before we dive in with them, and I love this episode, I really,
1:27.3	really like these guys. I want to be their friends and I wish they lived in L.A. But before we dive
1:30.7	in with them, Megan, tell me your culties thing this week. Well, gurus come in all shapes and sizes,
1:37.0	even the shape and size of Chad Daybell, right? Remember Chad Daybell, Lori Vals?
1:42.7	While she's back in the news, her trial is trying to pick up, but she keeps asking for unhinged
1:49.7	things. She just asked to go meet with them so they could go over their case, because what the
1:55.6	family is saying is she's trying to see if he's still her prophet, or if he's about to turn on her
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