Chris Inglis
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 21 February 2023
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
Chris Inglis has had an illustrious career in the defense of this country, serving as an Air Force general, deputy director of the National Security Agency, and most recently as the first National Cyber Director in the White House. Chris stepped down from his position last week, and he sat down for his first interview as a private citizen with David Kris, Lawfare contributor and former assistant attorney general for the National Security Division, and Bryan Cunningham, Lawfare contributor and executive director of the University of California, Irvine’s Cybersecurity Policy & Research Institute. They talked about a wide range of cyber topics, including the newly minted National Cyber Strategy, protection of critical infrastructure, cyber insurance, competition in the international front, and more.
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| 0:38.0 | David Chris, and Brian Cunningham. We hope you enjoy it. |
| 0:42.0 | How do we actually array the technologies, the role assignments, and the people |
| 0:54.0 | so that we create the most defensible proposition that has the biggest possible chance |
| 1:00.0 | of serving the needs, the interest of the users of that digital infrastructure? |
| 1:04.0 | How do we understand how it's actually being employed? |
| 1:06.0 | And how do we then using the assets inside cyber space? |
| 1:10.0 | That's the job that the National Cyber Director had. |
| 1:14.0 | And it was more coach than quarterback using Jenny Easterly's language. |
| 1:18.0 | The operational activities were largely assigned out to entities like SISSA, the FBI, and such. |
| 1:24.0 | So how does that all work? |
| 1:26.0 | At the National Security Council, that's where grand strategy, and perhaps the kind of the use of those extraordinary instruments, is largely defined. |
| 1:33.0 | For a cyber in particular, much like Secretary of Defense does that for the military domain of interest. |
| 1:39.0 | For the cyber domain in particular, you got a National Cyber Director. |
| 1:43.0 | And the execution of that then is done in the employment phase by the components. |
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