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Chris Hutchins is the founder and CEO at Grove, a personal financial planning product. In this conversation, we discussed the biggest mistakes people make in

financial planning, how Bitcoin compares to other assets, and where Bitcoin should fit into your

portfolio. I really enjoyed this conversation, and I hope you do as well. Anthony Pompliano is a partner

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All right, guys, bang, bang.

I've got Chris here, super excited to have this conversation because he comes at a lot of

the crypto world and kind of financial education in a very different perspective than

most people we've had on the podcast before. But Chris, thanks so much for taking the time to do this.

Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited. Sure. Maybe before we get started, like just a quick

overview of your background. I think you spent time building companies, working at big companies,

and then also investing, but maybe just give us an overview. Yeah, sure So, let's see, you know, started out out of college taking the traditional

path when worked investment banking and management consulting, realized that wasn't for me and

kind of decided I had to be out in Silicon Valley, love technology, wanted to work, you know,

and be a part of building companies. So worked freelance for a couple

companies, joined a startup, and then ultimately ended up starting a company with a few friends

in 2011 called Milk. We built a mobile app, you know, had some traction, but ultimately a year

in ended up selling a company to Google, spent a very short stint as a

product manager there, and got an opportunity to transfer over to the Google Ventures team to be

a partner on the investing team. So invested in early stage companies for the better part of three

years before transitioning over to be an entrepreneur in residence and ultimately spinning out

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