So I got on with the Bulls and the job was great for me because I just was so involved with

information and stats.

And John Paxson was the radio guy when I worked there for two years.

So I sat across from him on the plane for two seasons, you know, traveling.

And he took to me and when he got the job as the GM, Jerry Krause had said he wanted to

bring me over to be a scout,

and then he resigned. He retired. And John said, I know that was going to happen, and I'd like you to come and work for me. So it was all just kismet, got my foot in the door, and I just kind of kept my foot in the door through enthusiasm and energy and just being willing to do anything. My first year working in basketball operations, they said, hey, we want to build a database. Can you do that?

And I said, yeah, no problem. Easy. I had no idea what to do. I went back to my office and I was terrified and called a bunch of people. And sure enough, we built a template that a lot of teams still use today. They sold it.

They marketed.

They built it.

It was the real GM scouting database.

But it was the foundation was built in that, in that office in the Berto Center in Chicago.

Spiegel at Holmes.

Afternoons on the score.

It's a really cool story that Matt Lloyd, the GM of the Timberwolves, told on the Dane Moore NBA podcast about designing a database for John Paxon that has been co-opted by a lot of different teams and used in different ways and out there on the web now.

And it's part of an origin story that's fascinating for a guy that may very well be coming back to be the boss of basketball operations for the Bulls. Matt Spiegel here with you. It is the Spiegel and Holmes show right here on the score. And now joining us is Chris Hine on the score hotline, brought to you by Potawatomi Casino and Hotel, the Midwest's best casino. You may say to yourself, Chris Heine. Oh, yeah, I remember that, dude. He was a staff writer at the Chicago Tribune for a while. Yeah, he's in his eighth year covering the Timberwolves. How was that possible, Chris Hein? That doesn't even make sense to my sense of time and space. Hello. It doesn't for me.

Good to hear from me, Matt.

It doesn't for me either, because eight years was as long as I spent in Chicago, and that seemed like an eternity in a good way. Wow. Yeah, we're good. And it's been eight years here. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, you're the right person to talk to. We thought of you yesterday because we know a lot about Matt Lloyd's past and his time with the Bulls as, you know, kind of a guy who grew up in the scouting department in terms of basketball and was here for some very good drafts with, you know, Todge Gibson and Jimmy Butler and Nicola Muratich and others all outside the top 20. But what we don't really know is about his personality.

Does he have the strength of character and the communication skills to be the boss of a basketball

operation?

From your interactions with him, what do you think?

I definitely think so because that's part of his job with the wolves is the interpersonal,

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