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Thank you for listening to this Podcast One SportsNed production, available on Apple Podcasts and Podcasts and Podcast one.

Welcome to Real Jam Radio.

I am Danny Lur, your host, and so happy to have you with us for this episode.

We're kind of in this transition point between the NBA playoffs and the draft and offseason and everything like that. And so I wanted to talk with

Chris Herring, senior NBA writer for ESPN 538, about both of those things that we ended up

talking a whole lot more about the former than the latter because we had some interesting

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