Hello, friend. Thank you as always for listening to The Tully Show. I'm very excited.

I've been looking forward to speaking to sports writer and author Chris Herring.

Ever since I heard his book was coming out months and months ago, if you're an NBA fan,

this is a no-brainer. Even if you're not, there was something about this 1990s New York

Knicks team that it's it's almost like a Shakespearean story. The way their saga unfolded,

hopefully something in this episode for everyone. There's certainly, watch this segue,

something for everyone at my Patreon. Just a couple days ago, I spent over an hour talking

about Fragile Rock and Nazi War criminals and a bunch of other notable newsworthy events from

the year that was 1983. How exciting is that? That's just one of several billion podcasts that are

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See you there. Thanks and enjoy the show.

Coming to you live on tape from an above ground basement in rapidly gentrifying Culver City

adjacent California, boasting a partially obstructed view of the world famous Hollywood sign.

This is the tully show I am your host Mike tully. Joining me today, a senior writer at Sports

Illustrated and the author of a new book entitled Blood in the Garden, The Flagrant History of the

1990s New York Knicks. Hello and welcome Chris Herring. Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you. It's

nice to meet you as well. I listen to Zach Lowe's podcast all the time. I enjoy you on his show and

from the moment that he mentioned, I don't need to tell you how excited he has been about your

book. From the moment that he mentioned it, I've been looking for. I bookmarked this as something

that I wanted to talk about on this show. You're from you are from the Midwest originally.

I'm from Chicago. Yeah. So you wrote a book about the New York Knicks. Can you describe your

relationship with the Knicks specifically this Knicks team of the 1990s? There was none. I was

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