Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. Happy Veterans Day. I'm delighted to welcome back to the show, the host of All In on MSNBC, which will be officially known as MS now, starting on Saturday. He's also host to the podcast, Why Is This Happening? His latest book is The Sirens Call. It's Chris Hayes. What's going on, man? How are you, buddy? I'm doing well. Do you feel compelled to do MS now like me? Or do you have a more comfortable, you have a more comfortable you're me like hitting the now

yeah i don't know it's like ms now like new york ms now yeah i don't know you know it's funny because

for so long the shorthand that we would use for it is always ms who's like oh at ms at ms so

i almost kind of want to just say ms that's like, anything's going to change.

Yeah, I mean, there's no change.

Literally, there's no change for anyone except for us.

Like, we're the one.

We got to move to a new building and like, you know, you're not going to have a new outfit on or anything. You're not the, you're not the, you're not the, you're not being breaking out the chain. In fact, the studio, the studio looks remarkable.

It's a great studio, actually.

It's just over there.

But, oh, yeah, maybe I'll break out the chain.

Maybe for the first day of MS now.

Yeah, on MS now, I. It's just over there. Oh, yeah, maybe I'll

break out the chain. Maybe for the first day of MS now. Yeah, on MS now, I think you can be chain friendly.

Okay, we'll talk about it. I'm looking forward to seeing it. I'll be up there next week. Is it next week? I don't know, times a flat circle. I'll be up there. I'll see you soon. The studio is really nice.

And yeah, the studio is great.

We want to start with shutdown.

I don't know if this is 100% true because I've done a full fisking of the entire internet,

but I might very well be the most positive pundit in America on the Democrats cave. I saw your take. It's fine with me. This is maybe some vestigial element of being like the establishment Republican when the Tea Party was making crazy demands and

me just having to be like, really, guys, like we're not going to repeal Obamacare over the shutdown.

So maybe it's just that experience. But I also think the Democrats are obviously on much

better turf politically. They were when it started. And so that's a good thing. But I don't

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