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The Ezra Klein Show

Chris Hayes on How Biden Can Have a Better 2022

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 11 January 2022

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Nothing like a newborn and paternity leave to leave you feeling a bit out of the loop. So for my first podcast back since October, I wanted to wander through the thickets of where we are politically and how we got here. Because where we are is strange: the Omicron wave and the breakdown of the liberal Covid consensus that preceded it; a hot economy with low unemployment, rising wages and high inflation; a Build Back Better bill for which the eventual compromise seems obvious even as the legislation is stalled; the anniversary of Jan. 6, which comes as both of the Democrats’ major democracy bills are languishing; and a Biden administration that has passed big, popular policies, only to watch its poll numbers fall. Chris Hayes is the host of MSNBC’s “All In” and the podcast “Why Is This Happening?” He’s also one of my favorite people to process politics with, so I asked him to help me track back through the past few months of the news and look into how 2022 could be better. Mentioned: “The Ronald Reagan Guide to Joe Biden’s Political Future” by Jamelle Bouie “How Michel Foucault Lost the Left and Won the Right” by Ross Douthat “Ten Million a Year” by David Wallace-Wells “On the Internet, We’re Always Famous” by Chris Hayes Book recommendations: The Braindead Megaphone by George Saunders The Three-Body Problem Series by Cixin Liu The Racial Contract by Charles W. Mills Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld; audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Our executive producer is Irene Noguchi. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein and this is the Ezra Klein Show.

0:19.6

Hello I'm back.

0:21.4

It's the Ezra Klein Show hosted by Ezra Klein.

0:24.1

It is nice to be behind the microphone.

0:26.2

I have missed doing this show terribly.

0:30.0

I want to say thank you before I do anything else to the EK show team for doing extraordinary

0:35.5

work.

0:36.5

Keep in the show excellent during my paternity leave.

0:38.9

Enter all the guest hosts who did such great conversations.

0:41.7

Jim El Buie, Rost outfit, Nicole Hammer, Tracinic Mill and Codum, Rosie Karma, Heather McGeej,

0:46.8

Julie Gayle, David Brooks.

0:48.7

It was really cool to get to listen to the show while I was off and get to enjoy it so

0:53.1

much.

0:54.1

So thank you to all of them.

0:55.1

It was a great work to do this and it was wonderful of them to step in.

1:00.4

A little bit more housekeeping.

1:01.4

This is going to be a bit of an odd month on the show.

1:04.1

I need to build back up our catalog.

1:07.7

So we're going to do some weeks.

1:08.9

We're going to produce one episode a week like this week.

1:11.4

Some were going to do two like next week and it'll all be back to normal in February.

1:17.1

But okay, all that said, I've spent the last three months checking in on the news, feeling

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