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Galaxy Brain

Chris Hayes on Calibrating Your AI Anxiety

Galaxy Brain

The Atlantic

Technology

4.51.2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

How should you feel about the AI boom? In this episode of Galaxy Brain, Charlie Warzel speaks with Chris Hayes about how to emotionally calibrate our response to this dizzying AI moment. Hayes describes why AI gives him “The Bad Feeling,” and how it led him to report on AI like an anthropologist would. The two discuss why AI is described as “the jagged frontier,” and they explore the distinction between using AI for creative thinking versus grunt work. Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at TheAtlantic.com/Listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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If you're having it do your brainstorming like your brainstorming muscles are going to get weaker

0:47.6

and I don't want my brain. That's my livelihood. My career is coming up with stuff. I got to keep that. I got to keep

0:55.6

that sharp. Now, maybe in five years, they'll just have an AI do my show and the AI will generate

1:00.9

all the takes and the AI will talk and I'll be out of a job. Right. Fine. But until that happens,

1:07.3

I don't want the AI doing that.

1:20.6

I'm Charlie Warzel, and this is Galaxy Brain, a show where today we're going to calibrate our feelings about artificial intelligence. There's this phrase that's coined by AI researchers that I can't get out of my head these days.

1:24.6

It's called the jagged frontier.

1:26.6

The phrase is meant to describe

1:28.3

how AI can be extremely and unexpectedly good at some human tasks, and then also extremely and

1:33.3

unexpectedly bad at others. Individually, this can mean that it's useful or even transformative

1:37.9

for some people, while others see it as unnecessary or even more akin to snake oil. For example,

1:45.9

large language models and especially coding agents have transformed the job of many programmers, making them more productive. That's not true

1:50.8

of all industries, though, especially creative ones, where there are moral or financial or creative

1:55.4

reasons to object to its use. The jagged frontier is meant to apply to use cases in industries. In

2:00.5

some ways, it's an echo

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