Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

We've got a doubleheader.

I called in Alex Cantrellwitz, a tech reporter, to try to educate me on what in the hell is going on with Deep Seek, the Chinese AI advancement that's

marking a reason called a Sputnik moment for the country. So I wanted to figure out what the hell's

going on with that. So he'll be up in segment two. But first, I get to turn the mic around on

somebody you might know. He might have heard of it that he wrote about in his book that he's,

he's kind of a big deal he's

kind of a minor celebrity that gets noticed in the airports now his name's chris hayes he's on msnbc

and he's got a new book out the sirens call how attention became the world's most endangered

resource how you doing man i'm great man how are you i'm doing well you're dealing with the gays

of strangers okay i'm dealing with the gays of strangers.

I'm pretty used to it by now, but it'll mess you up a little bit in the beginning. Actually,

the press tour is weird. Like, I don't, I think when I was younger, I liked it more. I don't love

being the object of press. Hmm. You know, probably because there's like a control issue.

Yeah. Like when it's your show, you control it. Whereas with it's other people they're controlling it, which is the reason that a lot of

powerful people don't like journalism.

Like fundamentally, you don't have.

If you're a powerful person, you're used to people like deferring to you and being very

differential and and having control over them and like that's just

not the way journalism works like it's like it's interesting that you can see all this rage by all

these powerful people about against journalists and fundamentally it's because the power dynamics

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