So here we are on on Wednesday and Chris Cuomo is sitting in my living room.

Now why is Chris Cuomo sitting in my living room formerly of CNN?

Well I've never met Chris Cuomo before today and of course for years I was incredibly mean to Chris Cuomo on

TV. Why I can't really say now. But I'll say this. He was one of the very first

people to call me completely out of the blue, no idea how I got my

number after I left my job last spring and that began a series of conversations

very long conversations in which I discovered that Chris Cuomo is a really interesting person and that we disagree on some things we don't disagree on everything at all.

And I thought, wow, I wonder how many other people like Chris Cuomo are out there, people I have dismissed or mocked

because we disagreed on some things who actually if you got to know them you might learn something.

So that might be a useful exercise and so with that a conversation

with Chris Cuomo begins. Chris, thank you for coming. So one of the reasons I

think that you called me was because we had had such similar lives and you're one of the few people

kind of understand and both of us spent decades in one world were exiled from it and I think the question

is like what if we learn from this? You first.

I'm still trying to figure it out. And I knew it was important to reach out when you were going through your exit, let's call it.

And because I knew the pain of it, and I knew the challenge of it.

And everything is different, but I do believe that one of the lessons I've learned is you have to think about how other people are being affected by situations, especially once you have pain in your own life.

And it doesn't matter what you agree with, what you like, what you don't like.

It's all gotten so far removed from humanity that the idea that I don't like that

Tucker Carlson takes a bite out of my ass on his show on a regular basis.

I think you had a good reason not to like me I think that that would be fair.

But that that means that this is not somebody who you should care about as a human being.

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