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Chris Blattman on Cash, Poverty, and Development

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🗓️ 21 July 2014

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Chris Blattman of Columbia University talks to EconTalk host Russ Roberts about a radical approach to fighting poverty in desperately poor countries: giving cash to aid recipients and allowing them to spend it as they please. Blattman shares his research and cautious optimism about giving cash and discusses how infusions of cash affect growth, educational outcomes, and political behavior (including violence). The conversation concludes with a discussion of the limits of aid and the some of the moral issues facing aid activists and researchers.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Econ Talk, part of the Library of Economics and Liberty. I'm your host, Russ Roberts,

0:07.8

of Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Our website is econtalk.org, or you can subscribe,

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0:31.9

Today is July 15, 2014, and my guest is Chris Blatman of Columbia University. He works in development,

0:39.8

poverty and related subjects. He's the author with Paul Nehaus of a recent article in Foreign

0:44.1

Affairs. The title is Show Them The Money, Why Giving Cash, Helps Aliveate Poverty, which is

0:50.4

the subject of today's episode. Chris, welcome to econtalk. Thank you.

0:55.4

So you have been writing a series of articles and done quite a bit of research, and we'll

0:59.8

hope to get into to much of that, arguing that giving people cash, rather than more complicated

1:06.2

forms of development, or welfare, might be the right way to go for helping people who are desperately

1:13.7

poor. What's the basic argument? Well, the basic argument is not necessarily the cash is more

1:22.0

effective than other forms of assistance, but that it's effective relative to its cost. It actually

1:30.2

can be, there's an always, but it can be very, very, very inexpensive to deliver. And so if you're

1:35.1

have any kind of utilitarian view of the world and you want to help as many people as possible,

1:40.1

then you pay attention to that. And so the question is, what is it good at?

1:45.9

And the sort of a two-part answer, one is like anywhere, people can use cash to buy the things

1:53.1

they need. Maybe that's just shelter-in-food, and that can be here or that could be in the poorest

1:57.2

country. But I think especially in a poor country where a lot of people have potential to

2:04.1

be self-employed, mainly because there aren't firms, so there aren't jobs. They're held back from

2:13.1

this self-employment because they don't have capital. And one of the cheapest ways to get them

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