Welcome back to another edition of the Wolverine.com podcast. This is our TV version with Doug Skeen, Michigan's All Big Ten offensive linemen. And skiing, it's Maryland week. And that generally doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot. But when it comes before Ohio State, then everybody talks about trap games and everybody's thinking about it. And I go back to when you guys played, and I think about an Illinois game that clinched the Rose Bowl for you,

and there was no celebration after it. You tell me why. We tied. It was a total. Yeah, it was a tie game,

and we had clinched the Big Ten championship and all those things we wanted to do, but we did not

play very well that day.

We think we turned the ball over like four or five times.

We had like 400 yards of rushing.

We fumbled, I think it was like four.

I know there are four turnovers, but I think the ball got put on the ground that day nine times.

I think you're fumbled for like 400 yards and tie like 22, 22. Peter

Lesovic hit the big field goal there late in the game to secure the tie. But yeah, that was disappointing.

It was a great kick. I got to be honest because it was. And for a second, Gary Mueller was thinking

about going forward on like fourth and 18. And because nobody wants to tie, let's be honest. Now, if you're playing for overtime, it for a second, Gary Mueller was thinking about going forward on like fourth and 18.

And because nobody wants to tie, let's be honest. Now, if you're playing for overtime, it's a no-brainer. But that's not how you want to do it. And you had three ties that year. Now, if the overtime rules were in effect, now you kick it and you go on and you probably win that game. But I remember that. It was a cold day. there was some snow in the air.

I think you,

I think you fumbled twice.

And just about everybody fumbled at least once. And Tyrone Wheatley,

I think, had a pretty tough day in that respect. However, he was one of the reasons that you were there.

And but when you talk about trap games, this is a real thing, isn't it? When it comes to the minds of 18 to 22 year old kids who are thinking, okay, all we got to do is beat Ohio State next week. And we're going to the Rose Bowl or we're going to the championship. But now, in this case, the Big Ten championship game. Now, here you are. You got Maryland who can throw it a little bit. You're going on the road for the second straight week.

Is this a dangerous game?

It always is, Bales.

And let's go back.

What was it a year ago, two years ago?

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