Hi, this is Sarah Perkins-Saby, one of the authors of the Bible storybook. We're so excited to have partnered with Faith Matters to bring you beautifully told scripture stories as a podcast that you can listen to with your kids and share with your friends and family. We're making half of the stories available completely free as a podcast called Scripture Stories for Little Saints, and the other half are available to donors and friends of Faith Matters as a thank you for your financial support that makes this collaboration possible.

If you have trouble accessing them, you can email Faith Matters at info at faithmatters.org, and they'll be happy to help.

Thank you so much for your generous and ongoing support.

We're so excited to share these stories with you and can't wait for you to hear them.

Now on to the podcast.

Hey everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters. Today I'm so excited to share my

conversation with Katie Ludlow Rich and Heather Sundahl, about 50 years of Exponent 2.

This is their new book that traces the history of a space where Latterty St. Women have engaged the most urgent questions of their time, while also honoring the dailyness of life.

The roots of this effort go back to 1872 when women began publishing the women's exponent to speak for themselves and stay connected across distance.

A century later exponent to carry that work forward, not to create consensus, but to make room for complexity,

difference, and the kind of deep listening that makes real community possible.

And that's what this conversation is about, what it takes to stay in relationship,

even when the ground that we used to share,

whether in beliefs or perspectives or experience, starts to shift.

We're all navigating this now probably in our families and words and friendships.

And so today, Katie and Heather explore the differences between discomfort and danger

and how we can sit with the tension of disagreement without walking away, and what it means

to listen, not to persuade, but to witness, to be present with someone else's experience, even when it's different from our own. Katie is a writer and independent scholar of women's history, and Heather is a marriage and family therapist in Oram, Utah. This was a deeply personal conversation actually, and so we're so grateful to katie and heather for showing up

with so much honesty and care their own lived experiences have led them down different paths and so it was

such a gift to sit with them in dialogue watching the ways they do this together and the way they make

space for others to do the same it's the kind of wisdom that is hard one and we are so honored to share it with you

now here's our conversation with katie ledlow rich and heather. All right. Well, Katie and Heather, thank you so much for

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