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My name is Carolyn Dunnehue and I'm a novelist, a

journalist and a pagan single mother who believes in the restorative power of

chocolate. Joining me is author, journalist, podcaster, an imaginary rabbit

Amy Jones to talk about Joanne Harris's 1999 hit

Shokala! That is how you say it in France.

Shokala!

Plenty of guttural noise in the back of the throat.

You really have to put that groan, that sex, that omph into it, don't you?

You do. If you're not groaning when you're saying it, it's just not good.

Shocula!

Hmm!

So Amy, welcome to the podcast. What made you choose this book?

So this book I think was the first grown-up book that I ever thought that this is like my

favorite book now. It was like moving on from Harry Potter to

Shocula basically the natural progression of life. It's just very dark and grown up and

sexy but also like fun and enjoyable and

everything the good chichlet should be.

And also structured enough like a fairy tale so that like you can go from child

reading to adult reading very it's a very good transitionary book. I think so.

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