This is the reason interview with Nick Gillespie. My guest today is Republican Congressman Chip Roy of Texas.

He's a fiscal hawk whose commitment to balancing the budget has led Donald Trump to call for primary challenges against him.

I sit down with Roy to talk about why he ultimately voted for the president's budget busting big beautiful bill, whether

the controversial redistricting plan going on in Texas is really legit, the expansion of the federal

government under both parties, and where libertarians and conservatives can work together to reduce

the size scope and spending of the state. Here is the reason interview with Chip Roy.

Chip Roy, thanks for talking a reason.

Yeah, happy to do it, Nick.

Appreciate you guys.

You are a rare voice of fiscal shrieking in Hollywood.

In Hollywood, Broadway people. In Hollywood, yeah, in I was going to say. Yeah, Hollywood, in Hollywood people.

In Hollywood, yeah, in Washington, D.C.

And that has put you in the crosshairs with Donald Trump in particular.

You were, you don't want to raise the debt ceiling unless there's a reduction in spending.

You push back against the big big beautiful bill, although you did

cave and supported it. We'll come back to the word cave, but okay. Okay, well, you voted for it.

But talk a little bit about your general philosophy. Why is it so important that government spending

be either held constant or reduced?

Yeah. I mean, first of all, my view is that the power of the purse is the central power

of Congress and we just, we've abdicated it for as long as I can remember. And if you don't

constrain that power of the purse, then you're funding the very bureaucracy that is, well,

was predicted by the founders and has proven to be true to be at

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