I thought, okay. I don't know any kids. I don't relate to kids. I don't like kids. Sign me up.

Because I just thought nothing's gonna put me outside of my comfort zone like this.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 18 years Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative

people about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're

thinking about and working on. On this episode, Chip Kib talks about his

design book for children and how we got to be in the new Star Wars movie. It's

really a story about a friend helping another friend grieve.

Chip Kib has been on the podcast before. Four times, actually, I went back to the

archives and counted. He's been on to talk about a novel he wrote. He's been on to

talk about the fabulous book covers he's been designing at Knopf for decades.

He's been on with Chris Ware to talk about graphic novels. More recently, he's been on to talk

about his book Go, a kid's guide to graphic design. That book is now out in paperback and there's

so much more to talk about like his Batman exhibits and his cameo in the last Star Wars movie

just to mention two of his latest projects. Chip Kib, welcome back to Design Matters.

Thank you so much. I can't believe you. You want me back again, but I'm so grateful and I

just want to say thank you for creating Design Matters. I mean, what an incredible, incredible achievement.

It's just, yeah, thank you and I'm proud to call you my friend. No, Chip, you know, that I call

you my brother. Well, all right. I hear my family. I'm proud to call you my sister then.

Absolutely, absolutely. And hi there, Mrs. Kid. I'm

Chip, I want to start by asking you about something that I seem to have missed in our four

previous interviews, which I've subsequently regretted and wanted to ask you about now.

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