Chip Brantley and Andrew Beck Grace on White Lies
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🗓️ 17 August 2019
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
Andrew Beck Grace and Chip Brantley are the creators of the NPR podcast audio documentary White Lies, which deals with the murder of Rev. James Reeb in Selma, Alabama, during the Civil Rights Era. The podcast is an incredible historical investigation of an episode that many people had forgotten, and resonates remarkably in contemporary discussions of domestic terrorism, white supremacist violence, and many other things we're still talking about today.
Benjamin Wittes talked with Andrew and Chip about how to tell the story of a murder that happened a long time ago, the FBI's role in investigating the crime at the time (what they did badly, and what they did right), and what it all says about terrorism today.
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| 0:25.6 | no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:34.0 | That sort of terrorism had been going on for decades for generations in this part of the |
| 0:38.8 | country, just the weight of white supremacy that they got it, the entire society down |
| 0:45.4 | the air. |
| 0:46.4 | And I think, you know, when you look at this specific case and when you look at the |
| 0:53.0 | ways in which law enforcement, the essentially the district attorney, when you look at the |
| 0:58.7 | fact that the state troopers, all of these parties working in concert, you can't help but |
| 1:04.7 | feel that that state sanctioned and state endorsed terrorism. |
| 1:08.8 | It's not that it's repeating itself, it's just that it's evolved and morphed into something |
| 1:13.4 | else. |
| 1:14.4 | I'm Benjamin Widis and this is the LawFair podcast August 17, 2019. |
| 1:21.2 | Andrew Beck-Grace and Chip Brandley are the creators of the NPR podcast audio documentary |
| 1:28.1 | White Lies. |
| 1:30.0 | The series, if you haven't listened to it, deals with the murder of Reverend James Reeb |
| 1:34.9 | in Selma, Alabama during the Civil Rights era and is an incredible historical investigation |
| 1:42.0 | of an episode that many people had forgotten. |
| 1:45.8 | I asked Andrew and Chip on the show because I thought their show had remarkable soundings |
| 1:52.6 | in contemporary discussions of domestic terrorism, of white supremacist violence and a lot |
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