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Chinese Whispers: what is it to be 'Chinese'?

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🗓️ 29 November 2021

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Sun Yat-sen was the founding father of China's first republic, when the Qing dynasty was overthrown. Here he sits, with his successor Chiang Kai-Shek standing behind. They were two among many intellectuals and politicians whose agitations helped contribute to modern Chinese national identity. In his book, The Invention of China, journalist Bill Hayton argues that this is where 'China' and the key parts that contribute to a modern Chinese identity - territorial claims, ethnicities, history and so on - were moulded into an 'imagined' nationalism.

Cindy Yu interviews Bill in this episode, and they discuss everything from the contribution of foreign aggressors (especially Japan) to China's modern identity, to the ferocious intellectual debate about which ethnicities are 'Chinese' - just Han? Or Mongols, Manchurians, Tibetans and Uyghurs too? Plus - is any national identity around the world not constructed?

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0:31.0

Hello and welcome to Chinese Whispers with me, Cindy Yu.

0:34.7

Every episode, I'll be talking to journalists, experts, and long-time China

0:38.0

watches about the latest in Chinese politics, society, and more. There'll be a smattering

0:43.2

of history to catch you up on the background knowledge and some context as well. How do the

0:47.6

Chinese see these issues? The Chinese government today puts forward an idea of what it is to be Chinese,

0:55.3

of what contributes to that Chinese identity, which is often shared by a lot of Chinese people themselves.

1:01.5

Some of the key tenets of this identity are 5,000 years of history, for example,

1:06.3

dating all the way back to the Yellow Emperor.

1:09.1

There's also this notion of territorial sovereignty,

1:11.5

this territorial wholeness, which includes places like Taiwan, Xinjiang, Hong Kong and even

1:16.6

the South China Sea. And that's also a definition of what peoples live in China,

1:22.9

56 ethnic groups of which the Han are the vast majority. But amongst these and other tenets

1:29.7

of national identity, how much of them actually have a solid historical basis as opposed to

1:36.1

being constructed in some way by people in recent history? That's the question I'll be asking

1:41.6

today, together with the journalist Bill Hayton, who has written a book, The Invention of China, looking at all of these questions.

1:49.1

He pins a lot of what we know as modern Chinese identity down to a group of reformers that were active at the end of the Qing dynasty.

1:57.1

And without giving you even more spoilers, Bill, welcome to the podcast. To start with, can you set

2:02.7

out your store? You write that you are not a historian, but you're collating and making

2:07.4

accessible the academic debates that have been happening in recent history, this revisionism

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