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Chinese Whispers: how green is China?

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4.4785 Ratings

🗓️ 28 September 2020

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

China is the world's largest polluter. At the same time, it accounts for a quarter of international investment into renewable energy, and it's the leading exporter of solar panels. So are ideas of China's eco-unfriendliness outdated? Journalist Isabel Hilton, who received an OBE for her contribution to raising environmental awareness in China, joins the podcast. She paints a complicated picture: of a country undergoing rapid industrial revolution; of a one-party state divining public opinion to solve public health issues; and of a country trying to use climate change as a jumping board into global leadership.

Chinese Whispers is a fortnightly podcast on the latest in Chinese politics, society, and more. Presented by Cindy Yu. Listen to past episodes here.

Transcript

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You can subscribe to The Spectator for 12 weeks for only 12 pounds for our print and online editions,

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plus get six months of digital access free to the Telegraph. Go to spectator.co.uk

0:12.0

forward slash telegraph. Hello and welcome to Chinese Whispers with me, Cindy Yu.

0:26.1

Every episode, I'll be talking to journalists, experts, and longtime China watchers

0:29.8

about the latest in Chinese politics, society and more.

0:33.9

There'll be a smattering of history to catch you up on the background knowledge and some context as well. How did the Chinese see these issues?

0:43.8

Now, growing up the river near my house in Nanjing, the Qinghua was very smelly.

0:50.0

There were the rainbow reflections of chemical effluent floating on the surface almost every single day.

0:56.1

Only out-of-town tourists would take up the offer of these tourist boat trips onto the river

1:00.6

and probably only once and never again.

1:03.3

These days when I go back to Nanjing, the river has cleared up.

1:06.6

But the sky is grey and smoggy, the sort of smog that I used to associate with Beijing,

1:11.7

and that's been something that's new in the last few years compared to when I was younger.

1:16.4

That perhaps illustrates the paradox of modern China's relationship with the environment.

1:21.0

It seems to be one step forward in some senses and in a step back in others.

1:26.8

So I want to talk about that a little bit today. China has

1:29.8

long been seen as a leading polluter. Indeed, it pollutes the most out of all countries in the

1:34.8

world. It's the largest consumer and producer of coal. It is the largest oil importer as well.

1:40.6

And it's growing fast coal consumption increased fivefold from 1990 to 2018. At the same time,

1:48.2

it accounts for a quarter of the world's renewable energy investments, and is also a leading

1:53.6

supplier and consumer of solar panels. So how do we reconcile a seeming contradiction and how

1:59.6

green is China really?

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