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Hi, Rory here. This week, Matt Clifford and I are back with another episode in our AI series. So we're going to ask in this episode, who's really winning the AI race?

Is it the United States? Is it China? Is the UK even in the running? And we also explore

what technological rivalry could mean for global politics in the years ahead. We're joined by

Tino Kuea, president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, someone right at the heart

of how governments are trying to grapple with

fast-moving technology and global power shifts. Tino's a former justice on the California Supreme Court,

one of the most respected voices on international cooperation, and he's really well placed to talk

about how AI is reshaping the world. Here's a taster. If you like what you hear,

you can listen to the full episode by signing up at the rest is politics.com. If I look at the world

between 1950 and 2023, one of the most dramatic and important changes is life expectancy went

from 46 years to 73 years.

Literacy has gone from like less, like 55% to closer to 80%.

Infant mortality has gone down. This is all the function to my mind of science and international

cooperation. And right now, those kinds of questions are channeled into what does this

technology do? How does it work? How can people

benefit from it? So my point is simply like, those are hard questions. How do you get India on board,

Germany, Japan, South Korea, the US, Mexico, all these disparate countries to figure out how to use

the technology smartly, but at the same time deal with the risk.

And my point is simply that all the tumult in the world right now, whether domestic or global, like the invasion of Ukraine, is taking up a lot of oxygen and making a little harder to focus on these questions. I think you can. One thing I'm learning as we do this podcast series is my job is to sort of be the anti-Roury. So let me give a very different framing, which I'm not sure I fully believe, but I'm going to try. I think if we all try and channel our inner Xi Jinping, I think you could tell a story that what you really see over the last, you know, two years, extraordinary continuity. You know, like the idea that there's been this like sea change in U.S. policy on AI,

I don't think we'd register in Beijing.

I think that at least people around Xi would say something like, you know,

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