The United States has certain competitive advantages that I think China can't readily replicate.

I believe on the flip side, China has certain competitive advantages that the United States cannot readily replicate.

As China becomes more confident in its global role, I think that China also wants to do some

recasting of the narrative that it played in World War II.

I think that there's a real conviction in the United States, or at least in substantial

parts of the US foreign policy community, that China is intent on supplanting the United

States.

And I think that there's a comparably intense conviction in

vast segments of the Chinese foreign policy community and also the Chinese public, that the

United States is determined at all cost to suppress not only its technological development,

but also by extension, therefore, its economic development.

Hey, welcome back to the MWI podcast, brought to you with the generous support of the West Point

class of 1974.

I'm John Amble, and I'm joined on this episode by Ollie Wine.

Longtime listeners of the podcast will recognize his name.

He's a close watcher of China with deep expertise on the U.S. China relationship, and he's

been a guest before. As a senior research and advocacy advisor for U.S.-China relationship, and he's been a guest before.

As a senior research and advocacy advisor for U.S.-China relations at the International Crisis

Group, he approaches the subject of this integral geopolitical relationship from both sides.

What the United States seeks to achieve vis-a-vis China and how it views the strategic

competition between the two

is important. But so is Beijing's perspective, its objectives and interests, and how it conceptualizes

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