Welcome back to the Ten Blocks podcast. This is Brian Anderson, the editor of City Journal.

Joining me on the show today is Michael Schellenberger. You can follow him on Twitter at

Schellenberger MD. Michael has had a long career as a writer and policy advisor focusing

primarily on environmental issues. He's the founder and president of environmental progress, and he has an

impressive and much-discussed new book that came out this summer. It's called Apocalypse Never,

why environmental alarmism hurts us all. Michael, thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me, Brian.

First, you know, I wanted to mention that we published a short profile of you and some of

your colleagues all the way back in our winter 2013 issue.

There was a piece called the Rise of the Nuclear Greens.

A lot has changed since 2013, obviously.

Back then, we were just a couple of years removed from the Fukushima disaster in Japan.

But you were one of the few people, certainly one of the only ones who were broadly in the

environmental camp, who were calling for a recommitment to nuclear power

here in the United States. Now, we've published a number of pieces since then by Jim Miggs and

others on advances in nuclear technology that might make nuclear power more feasible going forward. I wonder if you could give

our listeners how you see the current state of nuclear power in the United States and what has

changed over the last decade. Sure. I think it's important to start with just first a recognition

that nuclear energy is a totally radical

technology. It's a very dangerous technology. And let me say also that it's the safest way

to make electricity. So it has the, it's a paradoxical technology. It's our most destructive weapon, but it's also clearly had an impact on making nations

more peaceful.

That's not a controversial view.

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