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That's the sound of police detaining protesters last Sunday.

Tensions have been flaring in recent days over COVID-19 restrictions and in the wake of a deadly fire in the country's far west. The implications of this tense

situation in China is the focus of this week's views room. Welcome back to the views

the podcast from Reuters Breaking Views, where columnists from around the world talk

about the big stories of the week. I'm your host, Amy Donnellin, coming to you from London.

Tensions are rising in China around the country's zero COVID policy. And I'm delighted to be

joined by Yawin Chen and Pete Sweeney, who are going to talk to me all about the protests, the COVID policy itself,

and what this all means for the rest of the world.

Yawin, very nice to chat to you. Pete, very nice to chat to you. So, Yawin, I'll start with you.

We are in a situation away from China. I just literally got on the tube

this morning, pretty busy tube, two people in wearing masks in the entire carriage. If you go into

restaurants, they're busy bustling. Nobody is wearing masks. So it seems like certainly in this

country and any other country I've been to lately, they're living

with COVID. That is certainly the policy. A certain amount of deaths are acceptable. Most people are

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