Welcome dear friends, you're listening to America first one on one with me your host Sebastian

Gorker, former strategist to the president and currently still member of the Defense Departments

National Security Education Board. It is hard sometimes to see the word for the trees, domestic

politics seems to take center stage, especially when it costs more than $100 to fill your car with

a tank of gas and when you see the highest inflation rates for 41 years but geopolitics doesn't stop

for domestic politics and that's why we must keep our eye on the ball when I was in the White House

I went in there to do counterterrorism work but very rapidly once you get the clearances you read

the presidential threat briefings you realize the only strategic level threat we face externally

is red China so we're going to dive in with the person I respect the most on that issue he is

the author of UMUS works you have to check out the most recent being the great U.S. China tech war

he is of course Gordon G. Chan Gordon welcome back to America first thank you so much doctor G

Gordon let's start can I start with a kind of very um prosaic kind of layman's question

we'll get into all the you know very technical and deep national security issues but

you know we are we are in the summer of 2022 did you did you expect for a nanosecond that we'd be

where we are today in terms of China and America after the last two years it seems as if

let's just one issue it seems as if culpability for covid is is not an issue anymore

yes this is astounding because you know said we don't know 100% where SARS-CoV-2 came from 99%

it came from a lab but that's not 100 but there is something that we know 100% and that is at

Xi Jinping the Chinese ruler made decisions to deliberately spread this disease beyond China's

borders now for at least five weeks and maybe longer they lied about contagiousness they knew

that this was highly transmissible human to human but the told the world it was not and then they

pressured other countries to not protect themselves while they were locking down their own country

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