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The Lawfare Podcast

China’s Illicit Economies

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🗓️ 28 February 2022

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In the national security world, including on Lawfare, a lot of attention gets paid to China's tech sector and other parts of its economy. Comparatively less attention is paid to China's illicit economies, illegal trade involving China and other countries around the world. But China has been involved in numerous acts of transnational criminal activity with occasionally lax enforcement, and there's a new series of Brookings papers and blog posts about this very subject. 

To talk it through. Jacob Schulz sat down with Vanda Felbab-Brown, the director of the Initiative on Nonstate Armed Actors and a senior fellow in the Foreign Policy program at Brookings, and Madiha Afzal, a fellow in the Foreign Policy program at Brookings. They talked through the project and papers that each of them have written on the subject, including one on illegal wildlife trafficking, one on narcotic precursor trafficking and one on human trafficking.

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no bull and the aftermath.

0:32.6

The way they will not be subject to prosecution by China is if they promote the interest of the

0:41.3

Chinese Communist Party and Chinese government abroad.

0:45.1

So networks that traffic in wildlife or that traffic in drugs abroad will cultivate local

0:53.1

politicians, government officials and promote Chinese businesses broadly.

0:59.2

And there is often very strong overlap between Chinese interests in legal economies and networks

1:06.6

that also engage in variety of contraband smuggling.

1:11.7

I'm Jacob Schultz and this is the LawFair podcast February 28, 2022.

1:22.1

In the national security world, including on LawFair, lots of attention gets paid to

1:27.2

China's tech sector and other parts of its economy, comparatively less gets paid to

1:31.9

China's illicit economies, illegal trade involving China and other countries around the world.

1:38.7

But China has been involved in numerous acts of transnational criminal activity with occasionally

1:44.0

lacks enforcement.

1:46.1

And there's a new series of Brookings papers and blog posts about this very subject.

1:52.1

To talk it through, I sat down with Von De Felbert Brown, the director of the initiative

1:58.0

on non-state armed actors and a senior fellow in the foreign policy program of Brookings.

2:05.3

Along with Medea Afsau, a fellow in the foreign policy program of Brookings.

2:10.5

We talk through the project and through papers that each of them have written on the subject,

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