This is Molly Hemingway, encouraging you to listen to my favorite podcast, issues, etc.

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The expert guests are in culture, law, ethics, philosophy, theology,

and apologetics. Expert guests? Expansive topics. Always extolling Christ. Issues, etc. There are people who languish for years, and I'm not exaggerating, for years waiting for an organ donation, waiting to have a transplant of a vital organ in their body. And then what they face after that is

obviously a lifetime of being on very powerful drugs, anti-rejection drugs, and sometimes a very

diminished health, even after the organ has been replaced, there are people who are desperate.

Well, it turns out China is taking advantage of that

desperation, making a lot of money, and in the process, not only dehumanizing part of its population,

but also exploiting the West's desire for, well, a quick and easy way of getting an organ transplant.

They have their own industry, after all.

Welcome back to issues, et cetera, joining us to talk about China's organ harvesting industry.

Jan Ukeleck, he's senior editor of the Epoch Times and author of the new book, Killed to Order.

Yon, welcome.

So good to be here.

What is the so-called China option?

Ah, the China option is what I call killed to order forced organ harvesting from a prisoner of conscience to get an organ transplant.

John, you have a personal interest in this story because you follow the Falun Gong discipline.

Why do you call this a new kind of evil?

So we hear about various types of cartels. call this a new kind of evil?

So we hear about various types of cartels that run black market organ operations. And that happens and it's horrible.

But what the Chinese Communist Party has organized in China is a whole different level.

And let me explain it.

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