Hello and welcome to the political orphanage, a home for plucky misfits and problem solvers.

I'm your host, Andrew Heaton, and I consumed half my body weight.

And deviled eggs this Thanksgiving.

I hope you had a good holiday as well.

So listen.

This week, I was going to do a rundown of the various Trump cabinet nominees.

I was holding out on that because I was really hoping I would get Secretary of Agriculture,

but nope, no luck yet again.

Anyway, can I be honest with you?

I'm a touch trumped out at the moment, and we've got four years of this one pack,

so today, can we just talk about monkeys? Is that? No, hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

The politics and economics of monkeys. See, it's still germane to the show. But, okay, here's the deal.

I found a really fun primatologist to talk to about primate behavior and what that says about

how we organize our own economics and politics and social hierarchies.

So I'm just going to do that.

I might still talk about the cabinet thing now that I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get

Director of National Intelligence, but once appointment hearings start, maybe I'll do with them.

Right now, today, monkeys. Happy holidays.

I am joined today by Dr. Sarah Brosnan.

She is a primatologist and director of the primate cognition, evolution, and behavior program at Georgia State University.

She's the co-director of the GSU primate Center and a distinguished university professor at Georgia

State University. Hello. Hey, great to be here. And we had Thanksgiving dinner yesterday,

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