Chiles v. Salazar
U.S. Supreme Court Oral Arguments
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🗓️ 7 October 2025
⏱️ 85 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | We will hear argument first this morning in case 24-539, Childs v. Salazar. |
| 0:05.9 | Mr. Campbell. |
| 0:06.9 | Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. |
| 0:09.9 | Colorado forbids counselors like Kaylee Childs from helping minors pursue state disfavored goals on issues of gender and sexuality. |
| 0:19.4 | This law prophylactically bans voluntary conversations, |
| 0:24.4 | censoring widely held views on debated moral, religious, and scientific questions. |
| 0:30.3 | Aside from this law and recent ones like it, |
| 0:33.6 | Colorado hasn't identified any similar viewpoint-based bans on counseling. |
| 0:39.1 | These laws are historic outliers. In NIFLA, this Court protected professional speech, |
| 0:45.5 | highlighting the dangers of censoring private conversations between professionals and their clients, |
| 0:51.0 | and this Court rejected by name two lower court decisions upholding laws like |
| 0:56.9 | Colorado's. But the Tenth Circuit gutted NIFL speech protection. Colorado insists that its law is |
| 1:03.0 | subject only to rational basis review. Yet that would allow states to silence all kinds of speech |
| 1:10.0 | in the counseling room, such as disfavored |
| 1:12.4 | views on divorce or abortion. If heightened scrutiny doesn't apply, states can transform |
| 1:18.7 | counselors in the mouthpieces for the government. Here, Colorado can't satisfy any level of heightened |
| 1:24.9 | scrutiny. It didn't seriously consider any less restrictive |
| 1:28.7 | alternatives, and Colorado can't prove harm because it hasn't cited a study focusing on what's |
| 1:35.2 | at issue here, voluntary speech between a licensed professional and a minor. Nor can Colorado |
| 1:42.2 | deny that many people have experienced life-changing benefits from the |
| 1:46.3 | kind of counseling that Ms. Childs wants to provide. The First Amendment doesn't permit Colorado |
| 1:52.5 | censorship. I welcome the Court's questions. In its introduction of its brief, Colorado says that |
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